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		<title>By: xipetotec</title>
		<link>http://www.chokingsun.com/2005/10/26/got-time-for-some-confrontation/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>xipetotec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Garrett. Were I still married and had we, my ex and I, children, I would  most happily consign myself to the stay at home role if she chose to work. That is essentially a part of my point. Men are quite happy leaving the brutal, take-no-prisoners work-a-day life for the rewards of maintaining the homestead. Why is it women feel this is of so low importance that they must &quot;escape&quot; it? Home-making is hard work, and the rewards are so much greater than those of the &quot;bread-winner&quot;. Women leaving the home is not the issue. It is the reasons they are leaving that baffles me. I certainly don&#039;t like the idea of a family where both parents HAVE to work, leaving the state or strangers to raise the children, just so the home can be filled with luxuries that the family never shares because the parents are always at work. A kind of sick circle.

Yes, I have seen the effects of a male being too sympathetic to his mate. When my father was recently divorced, I asked his ex- why. He had put her on a pedastal. Treated her with near complete deferrence. She was given everything for which she asked. She was allowed to do as she pleased. Her response was simply that she wanted a man who took control and did not always buckle to her whims and will. She expressed that she had once thought she wanted a man to treat her like a goddess, but once she realized what that meant, she had changed her mind. She wanted a man to rebuke her on occasion. She wanted some rules to make her feel she inspired jealousy in her mate. She needed to feel the man was willing to &quot;know better&quot; than her. Now this is not a weak person. She is highly educated and more ambitious than a school of sharks cruising the breakers of a seal ridden beach. No stay-at-home mom here, not a mother at all. She did not want a mysogenist... but she did want to see some authority in her mate. My father had bent himself out of his own will to try to keep her happy, and it destroyed the relationship. She had wanted him to be a HIM, not a him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Garrett. Were I still married and had we, my ex and I, children, I would  most happily consign myself to the stay at home role if she chose to work. That is essentially a part of my point. Men are quite happy leaving the brutal, take-no-prisoners work-a-day life for the rewards of maintaining the homestead. Why is it women feel this is of so low importance that they must &#8220;escape&#8221; it? Home-making is hard work, and the rewards are so much greater than those of the &#8220;bread-winner&#8221;. Women leaving the home is not the issue. It is the reasons they are leaving that baffles me. I certainly don&#8217;t like the idea of a family where both parents HAVE to work, leaving the state or strangers to raise the children, just so the home can be filled with luxuries that the family never shares because the parents are always at work. A kind of sick circle.</p>
<p>Yes, I have seen the effects of a male being too sympathetic to his mate. When my father was recently divorced, I asked his ex- why. He had put her on a pedastal. Treated her with near complete deferrence. She was given everything for which she asked. She was allowed to do as she pleased. Her response was simply that she wanted a man who took control and did not always buckle to her whims and will. She expressed that she had once thought she wanted a man to treat her like a goddess, but once she realized what that meant, she had changed her mind. She wanted a man to rebuke her on occasion. She wanted some rules to make her feel she inspired jealousy in her mate. She needed to feel the man was willing to &#8220;know better&#8221; than her. Now this is not a weak person. She is highly educated and more ambitious than a school of sharks cruising the breakers of a seal ridden beach. No stay-at-home mom here, not a mother at all. She did not want a mysogenist&#8230; but she did want to see some authority in her mate. My father had bent himself out of his own will to try to keep her happy, and it destroyed the relationship. She had wanted him to be a HIM, not a him.</p>
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		<title>By: mosquito</title>
		<link>http://www.chokingsun.com/2005/10/26/got-time-for-some-confrontation/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>mosquito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would imagine that xipetotec&#039;s post might infuriate some, but i think it is because of the medium of conversation more so than the actual words.  while the saying holds truth that &quot;the pen is mightier than the sword,&quot; i think the direct oral communication and conversation carries with it a more cohesive transmition of the idea.  i think everyone would agree that in person conversation has the added advantage of non-verbal communication.  xipetotec will play the devil&#039;s advocate not to get one&#039;s blood boiling, but instead to make you think.  the level of verbal tennis we play at time when speaking on items is more than invigorating.

personally i think over the past two years i found myself becoming less of man. over the past few months i&#039;ve found myself return to what i am and striving for what i will become.  in terms of the &quot;line&quot; between job duties for the sexes, i think it really boils down to mankind&#039;s inability to operate in the grey.  maybe i am just projecting my own inability in that regard as well.  who knows.

suffice it to say, i feel quite honored to live with such a literary genius, even if he doesn&#039;t feel the label is justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would imagine that xipetotec&#8217;s post might infuriate some, but i think it is because of the medium of conversation more so than the actual words.  while the saying holds truth that &#8220;the pen is mightier than the sword,&#8221; i think the direct oral communication and conversation carries with it a more cohesive transmition of the idea.  i think everyone would agree that in person conversation has the added advantage of non-verbal communication.  xipetotec will play the devil&#8217;s advocate not to get one&#8217;s blood boiling, but instead to make you think.  the level of verbal tennis we play at time when speaking on items is more than invigorating.</p>
<p>personally i think over the past two years i found myself becoming less of man. over the past few months i&#8217;ve found myself return to what i am and striving for what i will become.  in terms of the &#8220;line&#8221; between job duties for the sexes, i think it really boils down to mankind&#8217;s inability to operate in the grey.  maybe i am just projecting my own inability in that regard as well.  who knows.</p>
<p>suffice it to say, i feel quite honored to live with such a literary genius, even if he doesn&#8217;t feel the label is justified.</p>
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		<title>By: garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.chokingsun.com/2005/10/26/got-time-for-some-confrontation/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that xipetotec&#039;s presence has been a very positive influence. Based on all the activity I read about, mosquito hasn&#039;t been this jazzed, energized, and excited about what&#039;s going on in his life for some time. Despite all the negatives he&#039;s faced in the past months - He&#039;s really coming out on top with an outlook and approach to life that will do great things for him.

As for xipetotec&#039;s verbal skills - he&#039;s shur got a way with them purty words. I&#039;m lucky if I manage to string a couple of grammatically correct 5 word sentences together. Actually, I directed a coworker to this blog so she could read his past two posts, particularly the Ginsburg-ish one. She was an english major and really enjoyed them... although this gender role post got her blood boiling (she&#039;s also a fem-power cubed type).

I have to say that my limited life experiences taught me that women definitely want their men to be men - not necessarily in the classical bread-winner masogynistic sense, but emotionally. The whole &quot;tell me what you&#039;re feeling&quot; and behaving emotionally like a chick will only make you the bitch of the relationship. The women I&#039;ve know that say they want sensitivity  doesn&#039;t mean wear a skirt and watch Martha. If you toss out the typical emotional traits of being a man (assertive, driven, somewhat aloof and oblivious, oafish, etc etc)... I believe they will lose interest and go find a guy that still has them.

I would be just fine staying at home with the kids and my wife have the career. That wouldn&#039;t make me less of a man. Cook, clean the house, do the laundry - whatever. Those things don&#039;t imply one particular gender should do them. However - if the wife got home and I started into the &quot;honey, how was your day... can I get anything for you... put up your feet and let me pamper you&quot; routine... I&#039;d be a bitch, not a man. The &quot;manish&quot; way to do that would be &quot;Good day? Yeah, great. Want a beer? I made some nachos, you want some? Ok. I&#039;ll let you chill. Gotta go make sure the kids aren&#039;t juggling knives.&quot;

That&#039;s my shallow interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that xipetotec&#8217;s presence has been a very positive influence. Based on all the activity I read about, mosquito hasn&#8217;t been this jazzed, energized, and excited about what&#8217;s going on in his life for some time. Despite all the negatives he&#8217;s faced in the past months &#8211; He&#8217;s really coming out on top with an outlook and approach to life that will do great things for him.</p>
<p>As for xipetotec&#8217;s verbal skills &#8211; he&#8217;s shur got a way with them purty words. I&#8217;m lucky if I manage to string a couple of grammatically correct 5 word sentences together. Actually, I directed a coworker to this blog so she could read his past two posts, particularly the Ginsburg-ish one. She was an english major and really enjoyed them&#8230; although this gender role post got her blood boiling (she&#8217;s also a fem-power cubed type).</p>
<p>I have to say that my limited life experiences taught me that women definitely want their men to be men &#8211; not necessarily in the classical bread-winner masogynistic sense, but emotionally. The whole &#8220;tell me what you&#8217;re feeling&#8221; and behaving emotionally like a chick will only make you the bitch of the relationship. The women I&#8217;ve know that say they want sensitivity  doesn&#8217;t mean wear a skirt and watch Martha. If you toss out the typical emotional traits of being a man (assertive, driven, somewhat aloof and oblivious, oafish, etc etc)&#8230; I believe they will lose interest and go find a guy that still has them.</p>
<p>I would be just fine staying at home with the kids and my wife have the career. That wouldn&#8217;t make me less of a man. Cook, clean the house, do the laundry &#8211; whatever. Those things don&#8217;t imply one particular gender should do them. However &#8211; if the wife got home and I started into the &#8220;honey, how was your day&#8230; can I get anything for you&#8230; put up your feet and let me pamper you&#8221; routine&#8230; I&#8217;d be a bitch, not a man. The &#8220;manish&#8221; way to do that would be &#8220;Good day? Yeah, great. Want a beer? I made some nachos, you want some? Ok. I&#8217;ll let you chill. Gotta go make sure the kids aren&#8217;t juggling knives.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my shallow interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: mosquito</title>
		<link>http://www.chokingsun.com/2005/10/26/got-time-for-some-confrontation/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>mosquito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>setting up this site served two distinct purposes.  first and foremost was a delivery vehicle for choking sun. the second was as a &quot;mouthpiece&quot; for putting forth opinions like the last two posts.  xipetotec&#039;s verbal skills and mental capacity (or rather his intellect) are in excess of what anyone would use as a baseline for man.  the months i spent anxiously awaiting his relocation to atlanta to &quot;finish the puzzle&quot; were borderline on intolerable.

in terms of the effiminization of the american male, i would have to say it is quite prevelant.  i think the most telling sign is the new &quot;category&quot; of male: &quot;metrosexual.&quot; i won&#039;t go as far as to say i loath the attributes, but it is not a label i would ever desire applied to myself.  a quick search on the &quot;definition of&quot; turns up:  &quot;A young man concerned with self-image, self-indulgence and money.&quot;  those three things are at the bottom of the barrel in terms of what i hold in highest esteem.  i would imagine that some would say that my obsession and drive with music is in fact a &quot;self-indulgence;&quot; that my constant acceptance of &quot;freelance work&quot; shows my concern with money. it isn&#039;t the case.  for one to be self-indulgent to me means a level of obsession with one&#039;s self.  i take freelance as a means to an end.  in terms of music, as hard as it may seem to understand, i do not just do it because i enjoy it; i do it because i must for my sanity.

i am in fact a huge supporter of the equality of the sexes, because we are equal.  however i do not understand why in this day and age why women have in general begun to look down on their &quot;sisters&quot; for &quot;giving it all up&quot; to raise a family.  that is in fact the hardest (and in my eyes the most rewarding) thing life has to offer. i wonder if those that look down on their &quot;sisters&quot; realize that on some level they are thumbing their nose at their own mothers.  it seems that we are all equal in our own abilities to exist within the &quot;grey area&quot; between the &quot;black and white&quot; of extremes.

i&#039;ve said it before, but it deserves mentioning again.  i am a simple working man. my ideal living environment is very eastern (xipetotec stated he and batterman felt my tastes were quite japanese) and uncluttered. i keep myself clean and &quot;groomed&quot; but if the &quot;wage slave&quot; were allowed to be somewhat unshaven, i would not shave every other day.  i would shave when it itched.

the hacienda del buggo is a better place with the intellect of xipetotec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>setting up this site served two distinct purposes.  first and foremost was a delivery vehicle for choking sun. the second was as a &#8220;mouthpiece&#8221; for putting forth opinions like the last two posts.  xipetotec&#8217;s verbal skills and mental capacity (or rather his intellect) are in excess of what anyone would use as a baseline for man.  the months i spent anxiously awaiting his relocation to atlanta to &#8220;finish the puzzle&#8221; were borderline on intolerable.</p>
<p>in terms of the effiminization of the american male, i would have to say it is quite prevelant.  i think the most telling sign is the new &#8220;category&#8221; of male: &#8220;metrosexual.&#8221; i won&#8217;t go as far as to say i loath the attributes, but it is not a label i would ever desire applied to myself.  a quick search on the &#8220;definition of&#8221; turns up:  &#8220;A young man concerned with self-image, self-indulgence and money.&#8221;  those three things are at the bottom of the barrel in terms of what i hold in highest esteem.  i would imagine that some would say that my obsession and drive with music is in fact a &#8220;self-indulgence;&#8221; that my constant acceptance of &#8220;freelance work&#8221; shows my concern with money. it isn&#8217;t the case.  for one to be self-indulgent to me means a level of obsession with one&#8217;s self.  i take freelance as a means to an end.  in terms of music, as hard as it may seem to understand, i do not just do it because i enjoy it; i do it because i must for my sanity.</p>
<p>i am in fact a huge supporter of the equality of the sexes, because we are equal.  however i do not understand why in this day and age why women have in general begun to look down on their &#8220;sisters&#8221; for &#8220;giving it all up&#8221; to raise a family.  that is in fact the hardest (and in my eyes the most rewarding) thing life has to offer. i wonder if those that look down on their &#8220;sisters&#8221; realize that on some level they are thumbing their nose at their own mothers.  it seems that we are all equal in our own abilities to exist within the &#8220;grey area&#8221; between the &#8220;black and white&#8221; of extremes.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve said it before, but it deserves mentioning again.  i am a simple working man. my ideal living environment is very eastern (xipetotec stated he and batterman felt my tastes were quite japanese) and uncluttered. i keep myself clean and &#8220;groomed&#8221; but if the &#8220;wage slave&#8221; were allowed to be somewhat unshaven, i would not shave every other day.  i would shave when it itched.</p>
<p>the hacienda del buggo is a better place with the intellect of xipetotec.</p>
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		<title>By: xipetotec</title>
		<link>http://www.chokingsun.com/2005/10/26/got-time-for-some-confrontation/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>xipetotec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skeeter has a couple of projects here at Hacienda del Buggo, but I believe he may fear setting me loose upon his fair home unsupervised. I am prone to wierd moments, and perhaps he thinks he shall find his soffet and facia painted in polka dots if I were left to my own devices; something I cannot rule out. I deeply suspect the only reason he set up this site was so he no longer had to bear the burden of reading or listening to my rants and tantrums on his own. Sharing his pain, so to speak. I don&#039;t blame him. Could anyone?! Poor Bugboy, haunted by this crazed pseudo-intellectual brute of the first order, blathering around the living room in a cacaphony of useless rhetoric. In Guinness Veritus. Perhaps he is somewhat masochistic for even inviting my heathen self into his house. Whatever the case, so far my madness has not apparently left him quivering  and unnerved. Quite the opposite, I think seeing the Devil daily has done him well, acted as a reminder for just how focused is his own life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skeeter has a couple of projects here at Hacienda del Buggo, but I believe he may fear setting me loose upon his fair home unsupervised. I am prone to wierd moments, and perhaps he thinks he shall find his soffet and facia painted in polka dots if I were left to my own devices; something I cannot rule out. I deeply suspect the only reason he set up this site was so he no longer had to bear the burden of reading or listening to my rants and tantrums on his own. Sharing his pain, so to speak. I don&#8217;t blame him. Could anyone?! Poor Bugboy, haunted by this crazed pseudo-intellectual brute of the first order, blathering around the living room in a cacaphony of useless rhetoric. In Guinness Veritus. Perhaps he is somewhat masochistic for even inviting my heathen self into his house. Whatever the case, so far my madness has not apparently left him quivering  and unnerved. Quite the opposite, I think seeing the Devil daily has done him well, acted as a reminder for just how focused is his own life.</p>
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		<title>By: garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.chokingsun.com/2005/10/26/got-time-for-some-confrontation/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given the prolific nature of xipetotec&#039;s last 2 posts - Seems to me someone needs to chain his ass to a microphone, dictaphone, or a scratchpad and get him working on some lyrics or something. Channel it, baby ....

Either that or put those fingers to use around the Mosquito compound and prepare for hunkering down for winter... You&#039;ve got a couple pre-cold homestead projects in the works, doncha bugwonder?

Idle hands are the devil&#039;s tools... *snicker &amp; snerk*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given the prolific nature of xipetotec&#8217;s last 2 posts &#8211; Seems to me someone needs to chain his ass to a microphone, dictaphone, or a scratchpad and get him working on some lyrics or something. Channel it, baby &#8230;.</p>
<p>Either that or put those fingers to use around the Mosquito compound and prepare for hunkering down for winter&#8230; You&#8217;ve got a couple pre-cold homestead projects in the works, doncha bugwonder?</p>
<p>Idle hands are the devil&#8217;s tools&#8230; *snicker &amp; snerk*</p>
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